Talk:Veranda

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1. RA 7/9/15: I could not find a quotation in the text section corresponding with the Downing reference in this sentence: "Both illustrate views from the bracketed piazza, or veranda, as Downing preferred to call it, out to the distant prospect." There are two quotations from Manasseh Cutler using the term "prospect" (though not "distant prospect"). Did you mean to refer to one of those?

Paragraph 2 of History section

1. [KP 7/2/15] In the third paragraph there is a quote from Rev. Manasseh Cutler describing Monticello without a citation. RA 7/9/15: I have looked through all the keyword binders and done many Google searches for alternative sources and sites, without finding anything that corresponds

2. RA 7/9/15: I'm not sure that I have associated the correct text with the sentence Downing used the term 'porch' to identify that part of the veranda where steps led from the ground to the entryway. The relevant text seems to have been deleted inadvertently from Keywords and only the page number (308) appears in the Text section with other Downing quotes. However, the text on p. 308 does not describe the porch in relation to steps, but rather as opening onto the veranda ("This porch, being pierced with arches on each side, opens on a continuous veranda")

3. RA and KP 7/9/15: Can you take another look at the Ranlett quote? We think he is not contrasting "piazza" and "veranda," but using them synonymously (just as he is using "projecting roof" and "overhanging roof" synonymously). His point seems to be that southern fronts are appropriate for piazzas/verandas because they are sunny, and northern fronts should not have piazzas/verandas because they are too shady. Here's Ranlett's quote:

"a country house with a southern front should have a projecting roof and a piazza; but one fronting the north would look more cold and cheerless by the addition of an overhanging roof or a veranda. Yet nothing is more common than to see houses in the country with gloomy-looking piazzas on the north side which is always in shadow, while the back part is left to scorch in the sun without even the protection of a hooded window to cast a shadow."

4. RA 7/9/15: Keywords does not provide a source for Downing's use of "pavilion" and "veranda" as synonyms, so I searched his treatise for the relevant text and found that he describes the terms very different, describing pavilions as detached garden structures analogous to temples and rustic seats. For example:

"a prospect tower or rustic pavilion, on a little eminence overlooking the whole estate..."

"The temple and the pavilion are highly finished forms of covered seats"

"With regard to pavilions, summer-houses, rustic seats, and garden edifices of like character.... a classic temple or pavilion may crown a beautiful and prominent knoll, and a rustic covered seat may occupy a secluded, quiet portion of the grounds..."

"Large and costly hot-houses were erected by Dr. Hosack, with also entrance lodges at two points on the estate, a fine bridge over the stream, and numerous pavilions and seats commanding extensive prospects..."

The only instance I could find of the word "veranda" associated with "pavilion" was in The Architecture of Country Houses," but his point seems to be that there isn't really an apt word for the unusual structure he is describing, which is kind of like a piazza and kind of like a pavilion, but not exactly either. See what you think:

"On the right of this hall is a noble veranda, which, for want of a better name, we call the pavilion.... It affords something more than a veranda, viz. a room in the open air, the greatest luxury in a warm summer..."

[KP 6/22/15] I've divided "Piazza/Veranda/Porch/Portico" into four separate pages. As of now, they have the same history essay with the exception that there are no double brackets around the word of the given page; for example, "Portico" is placed in double brackets on the "veranda" page, but not on the "portico" page. The texts and images are particular to each key term.

TOM "view from veranda at Egglesfield..." Watson add to essay?